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Post by Pyotr Alekseevich on Sept 25, 2016 21:26:13 GMT
After the crushing defeat of King Charles the XIIth by Tsar Pyotr Alexeyeevich at Kaunus the following terms have been delivered to the Swedish Parliament by Russian and Polish-Lithuanian Diplomats.
With King Charles XIIth missing and possibly dead after the complete destruction of Swedish arms at Kaunus, it has fallen upon the Parliament of the Kingdom of Sweden to negotiate for the preservation of their nation. The peace terms offered below are agreed upon by The Empire of Russia and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the rejection of these terms shall be the death of Sweden as no such terms will again be offered.
I - All Swedish garrisons will withdraw immediately from Swedish possessions in Bremen-Verden, Pomerania, Estonia, the Karelian Isthmus and Riga.
II - The ceding of Bremen-Verden, Pomerania and Riga to Poland Lithuania.
a - Any damage caused by Swedish forces to the towns, cities and countryside of these areas will be paid for in full by the Swedish state.
III - The ceding of Estonia (including the fortress of Narva) and the Karelian Isthmus to Russia.
a - Any damage caused by Swedish forces to the towns, cities and countryside of these areas will be paid for in full by the Swedish state.
IV - The surrender of all Ships in the Swedish navy;
a - 4 Frigates, 9 Galleys and 10 Transports shall be surrendered to the Poland-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
b - 3 Frigates, 9 Galleys and 10 Transports shall be surrendered to the Empire of Russia.
V - The surrender of the island of Dago to Russia.
VI - A compensation payment of 10,000 Ducats each to Poland-Lithuania and Russia.
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Post by The Viceroy (AdminM) on Sept 25, 2016 21:33:10 GMT
Charles XII, before leaving for the fateful encounter at Kaunas, left Rehnskiold a message to give in these circumtances. Message reads: 'I have vowed never to start an unjust war, and never to end a just one except by defeating my enemies.'
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Post by Leopold I von Habsburg on Sept 26, 2016 14:35:02 GMT
Austria strongly objects to the demands being made by Russia.
The Tsar has no authority to demand the reorganisation of the territorial map of the Holy Roman Empire, regardless whether or not the target country, in this case Sweden, is a member of the Empire. Everything within the borders of the HRE, even if occupied lands claim by the Imperial Crown, is the responsibility of the Imperial Kaiser, his Imperial Highness, Leopold I.
Lands in the Holy Roman Empire can not just be demanded by one foreign power and then handed out to another without the consent of the Emperor!
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Post by Pyotr Alekseevich on Sept 26, 2016 14:39:47 GMT
These demands are being made jointly by Russia and Poland. The territories the HRE objects to are under the remit of Polish influence, any objections should be raised with Polish Ambassadors.
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Post by Bill on Sept 26, 2016 14:44:28 GMT
These demands makes the Dutch question whether the Poles and Russians truly want peace,they also are presumptive in that they assume the Swedes are out of the fight. blood shed will follow this and for the sake of any peace we propose a deescalation of activity in Estonia, later next year for instance we can have congress and discuss a peace treaty.
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Post by Leopold I von Habsburg on Sept 26, 2016 14:51:31 GMT
Bremen-Verden and Pomerania will stay within the Holy Roman Empire, and will remain tied to the Imperial Crown.
The Elector of Saxony may, though an Elector of the HRE, also be the King of Poland, but Polish matters are not directly tied to those of the HRE, nor are the interests of Poland high up on the agenda of the HRE. Neither Russia, Poland, and Saxony have any authority to demand the transfer of the lands of the Imperial Crown from one nation to another unless approved by the Emperor
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Post by Pyotr Alekseevich on Sept 26, 2016 15:44:36 GMT
The Dutch Republic has no right to interfere in Russian matters. Charles through brash actions has lost the greatest part of his army. Peace has been offered.
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Post by Leopold I von Habsburg on Sept 26, 2016 21:22:05 GMT
The Russian Empire can take the matter up with representatives of the Dutch foreign office, diplomatically. Regarding the HRE, only he who has been elected to the office of Emperor and endowed with the sovereign powers of the Imperial Crown of the Holy Roman Empire, as decided by the Imperial Electors, can have any authoritative say on matters concerning the Empire.
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Post by Pyotr Alekseevich on Sept 26, 2016 21:29:40 GMT
The HRE is welcome to open up negotiations regarding the issue. But the Emperor should not attempt to cow the great Emperor of all the Russias and the inimitable King of Poland-Lithuania.
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Post by Leopold I von Habsburg on Sept 26, 2016 21:47:47 GMT
His Imperial Highness Leopold I is most amused - "I would have thought that the Great Tsar's Great European tour would have educated him as to where his empire officially ends and the other great empires of Europe start. More to the point, (he couldn't help but laugh), surely he would have learn't there are no Russians in the Holy Roman Empire. Clearly our former ally has much to learn"
The Austrian foreign office is always open to those parties who wish to talk to his Imperial Highness about matters concerning the great European plain. We will receive Russian diplomats anytime, should the Tsar wish to talk
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Post by Pyotr Alekseevich on Sept 26, 2016 22:04:02 GMT
Tsar Pyotr would expect that the his counterpart might have learned letters after some fashion. Russia makes no claims on territories qithin the HRE. We claim those territories to which Russia alone has legitimate claim. If the Emperor wishes to challenge these claims then he must do so, but a fragile and ageing Empire should pick its fights carefully.
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Post by August II "Mocny Sas" on Sept 26, 2016 22:31:08 GMT
OoC: Sorry, been super busy with work (still not finished  ) Also, the HRE territories were to be ceded to Saxony, not P-L, slight mix up (also Sweden was not in the Empire, and the liberation of those territories by Saxony would represent their return to the fold... one of the casus belli of the war in fact). |
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Post by Leopold I von Habsburg on Sept 26, 2016 22:34:17 GMT
Something clearly got lost in translation, such a pity.
You've no authority or right to demand the redistribution of lands tied to the Imperial crown, regardless whether the target be a member of the HRE or not, without the approval of the Emperor himself. Russia, speaking on behalf of Poland-Lithuania or not, can not demand Sweden handover Imperial lands to another party
What Russia does in Eastern Europe outside the HRE is none of our concern and does not interest us much, so do as you will - we won't object, nor have we already. But lands of the HRE will stay within the boundaries of the HRE. Sweden's claim on these lands is not recognised by us, and therefore, Sweden's ownership amounts to nothing more than an illegal occupation. As this occupation is illegitimate, Sweden in itself has no right to transfer them, even if demanded by another party. Bremen-Verden and Pomerania are, as a result, still very much attached to the Imperial Crown of the Holy Roman Empire
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Post by August II "Mocny Sas" on Sept 26, 2016 22:57:05 GMT
HH is shocked at the sudden about face by the Emperor. That the Emperor should oppose the liberation of Imperial territory loyal subject is not just unusual, but his refusal to state opposition when the objective was stated as an overt objective of the war and casus belli suggest something rather untoward. He hopes the HIM's words merely represents frustration and unclear messages, rather than a sudden change in Imperial policy.
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Post by Leopold I von Habsburg on Sept 26, 2016 23:16:53 GMT
The Elector should try not to patronise the Emperor, such is of bad taste, particularly when it has only been revealed that there was a mistake in the original demands. The stance taken by his Imperial Highness reflects the confusion stemming from where exactly these lands are to go. At first, they were to go to Poland-Lithuania, something which simply could not have been done, for they would not have been liberated, but simply handed over to another occupying power, which in accordance to Imperial policy would never have been allowed to occur. But now, out of thin air, these lands are apparently going to Saxony, and again with not word being mentioned to the Kaiser. From now on, his Imperial Highness requests that all Imperial matters be run past the Emperor himself, particularly when the matters in question (namely, Pomerania) are likely to cause a new succession crisis.
However, the crisis appears less serious than it is, but still of great importance to the Emperor, who will continue to have a say on the matter
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